Fordingbridge repointing and lime mortar work

Joints raked by hand, a mix matched to the wall, and lime work booked for the part of the year it will actually survive.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

Lime mortar has a season, and in the Avon valley it is shorter than the calendar suggests. Green lime that meets a frost turns to powder, and a river valley drains cold air and frosts earlier in the autumn and later in the spring than the higher ground either side. So lime pointing in Fordingbridge is spring and summer work, and the survey is the part you do in the winter.

About one home in five here predates 1919 and it is concentrated in the older streets, where the walls are solid brick with no cavity and were built in lime. Those are the ones the season applies to. The bigger part of the town went up from the fifties onwards and is cavity brickwork in a cement and sand mortar, which is far less fussy about the month.

What people ring about does not vary with the season at all. Joints on a gable crumbling back until you can see them from the road. Penetrating damp on an inside wall that only shows after a wet south westerly. Brick faces flaking off below a sill. Grit collecting in a gutter under a stack. We look at every elevation rather than the one you have spotted, scrape joints at two heights, tap along a course for the hollow note that means the pointing has come away from the brick, and photograph the lot. The site visit and the written itemised quote are free, whatever time of year you ring.

The work

Mortar work around the town, old streets and new

Repointing a brick wall by hand, mortar being struck into a raked-out joint
Struck by handOne joint at a time, filled and struck so the face sheds water.

Soft red brick in lime, in the older streets. Solid wall, no cavity, and the wall keeps water out by soaking it up and letting it evaporate back out through the joint. It has to stay breathable, so the mortar has to be softer and more open than the brick beside it. Joints come out by hand to about twice their width, with the angle grinder left in the van, and go back in an NHL lime or lime putty mix gauged to the original sand for colour and grain. They are damped down before filling and brushed back once the mix has taken up. On a period frontage the profile is usually flush or slightly recessed rather than the weather struck or bucket handle joint you find on later work, and we copy whatever survives somewhere sheltered on the building.

Cement pointing on those same walls. A great deal of the old stock was repointed in sand and cement between the sixties and the nineties, and undoing it is a steady part of what we do here. A hard joint on a soft brick will not let the wall dry through the mortar, so the water leaves through the brick faces instead and frost takes them off. Joints standing proud and hard with hollowed bricks between them is the tell. It comes out by hand, joint by joint, and it is priced as its own line because it is slower than a wall nobody has touched.

Later cavity brickwork, which is most of the town. Better than four homes in ten here were built between 1945 and 1982, with the busiest years in the seventies and early eighties. That is a single outer skin of fired brick in a cement and sand mortar. It erodes at the arris rather than washing out, water starts to stand in the open joint, and a hard frost lifts the face off. Matching it means matching the sand and the gauge as well as the colour, and a trial panel goes up somewhere discreet for you to judge in daylight.

Faces that have blown, cut out rather than filled. Where the face of a brick has gone we cut the brick out whole and turn or replace it against a sample held on the wall. A mortar patch in the hollow never matches and drops out inside a couple of winters. Frost damage gathers under sills, beside downpipes and in the courses just above the damp proof course where a drive or a path has been laid up against the house.

The ground floor courses on walls near the water. Walls close to the Avon and its meadows sit in damper ground and stay wet longer after rain, and it is the bottom band that shows it: loose, crumbling joints in the lowest courses with the wall above sound. Those get the most permeable mix on the building, kept softer than what is above them, because on a wall with no damp proof course that band is sacrificial and meant to be renewed rather than sealed.

Stacks and parapets. A chimney has weather on four sides and nothing warming it from inside, so its joints go friable years ahead of the walls and the penetrating damp that follows lands on a top floor ceiling. We repoint the stack, cut out the frost damaged bricks and renew the flaunching round the pots in one visit. It is work at height and wants a scaffold rather than a tower, and the platform is the honest bulk of that cost, which is why doing it all at once is worth more than it sounds.

How it runs

From your call to a written price

Raked-out joints on a red brick pier being filled with fresh mortar
Raked back firstDepth before filling. A disc widens the joint and takes the arris off.

Same team from first visit to last, one person to ring, and no sub-contracting. The quote is itemised: access, raking out, the mortar mix, the area of each elevation, brick replacement and disposal on separate lines, so you can compare it against anyone else's.

Nothing is left open overnight, the site is swept at the end of each day rather than the end of the job, and what comes out leaves with us. Anything nobody could have foreseen gets a photograph and a price before we carry on.

Repointing like for like is repair rather than development, so there is no planning application and nothing for building control to sign off. Appearance is the exception. There are forty nine listed entries in and around Fordingbridge, the old manor house and the road bridge over the Avon among them, and on a listed building works that affect the character of a listed building need consent. Mortar is part of that fabric, so listed building consent from New Forest District Council comes before a joint is opened, for a change of mix, colour or profile as much as anything else. We check an address before we price the work.

Cost

What decides the price of a repointing job

Brick corner with a moulded plinth course, mortar matched to the original work
Matched, not guessedColour, sand and joint profile picked up from what is already there.

No rate per square metre, because the square metres tell you almost nothing until somebody has looked at the joints.

Getting to it. A three storey house on the High Street with the pavement hard against it, a riverside cottage with a garden you can get a tower into and a seventies semi with one gable are three different set ups. How long the platform stands matters as much as how big it is, and the work at height rules are why access is a priced line rather than one absorbed into a rate.

The joints decide it, not the wall. Raking out by hand is slow, and on soft brick it is the only safe way. How deep the joints come back, and whether the faces have already spalled, sets the hours far more than the area does.

Matching is the part that shows. Too strong a mix is the classic mistake: cement holds water against a soft brick and the face blows off in the first hard frost. Lime is slower to work and to cure, and it is the right answer on most pre-1919 walls.

Two quotes for the same job are usually two different jobs, so ask each one how deep the joints are raked and whether the scaffold is in the price.

If water is getting in

Open joints, and water coming through the wall

Stone gable with the joints repointed in a lime mortar
Stone wants limeOn rubble stone the mortar is most of the surface, and it has to breathe.

Ring rather than use the form. A wall with the joints washed out lets driven rain straight through to the inside face, and on a chimney it finds the flashings too. We come and look, sheet or temporarily point the worst of it, and price the full elevation once it has dried enough to see what is sound. In Fordingbridge that is usually a west facing gable or a stack, and if it is late autumn we will make it watertight now and book the permanent lime work for the spring rather than lay a mix that will not survive the first frost. The phone is answered 24 hours for emergencies; scheduled work runs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm.

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Worth knowing

The lime season in the Avon valley

Lime does not set the way cement does. It gains its strength slowly, by taking carbon dioxide back out of the air, and while that is happening the joint has to stay damp but not wet and above about five degrees. Two things ruin it. A frost on green lime freezes the water still in the joint and turns the mortar to powder, and no amount of good workmanship earlier in the day survives that. Hot dry wind does the opposite and dries the joint before it has cured, which is why the work is damped down, shaded and protected rather than left to the weather. The practical guidance in the standard guidance on preparing and using lime mortars and the classification of the material in BS EN 459-1 are the reference points we work to.

The valley is what narrows the window here. Cold air drains down off the higher ground on either side and settles along the river, so the low ground through the town frosts earlier in the autumn and later in the spring than the ground a mile away. In practice that makes roughly Easter to early October the safe stretch for lime pointing in Fordingbridge, and the shoulders of it depend on the forecast rather than the date. So the sensible order is the other way round from what people assume: get the survey and the quote done over the winter, and have the work booked for the first settled spell. Ring us in November about a lime job and we will normally sheet it, make it watertight and give you a spring date rather than take the money and hope. Cement work on a later wall is a different matter and carries on far longer into the year.

Who you are dealing with

A local firm you can check

We cover Fordingbridge, Sandleheath, Alderholt, Godshill, Hyde and Breamore, broadly SP6, under New Forest District Council. You are dealing with Bournemouth Roofing & Building, the trading name of Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719. Thomas Hannen's business, and he is the one who comes out to price the job, not a salesman. A verified customer's 10 out of 10 on Checkatrade. The visit and the written quote are both free.

Questions

Fordingbridge questions we get asked

Can lime pointing be done in the winter?

Not safely, and we would rather say so than take the booking. Lime cures slowly and a frost on a green joint turns it to powder, and the low ground along the river frosts earlier and later than the ground either side. Roughly Easter to early October is the honest window here, with the ends of it decided by the forecast rather than the date.

What actually happens if new lime pointing gets frosted?

The water still in the joint expands as it freezes and breaks the mortar apart before it has gained any strength. It looks fine for a few days and then goes crumbling and comes out with a fingernail. There is no repair for it other than taking it out and doing it again, which is why the scaffold gets sheeted and the work gets protected.

Does the whole of Fordingbridge need lime mortar?

No, and putting lime where it does not belong is its own mistake. Roughly a fifth of the housing here is pre-1919 solid wall and that is where lime belongs. The larger part of the town is post-war cavity brickwork, which wants a cement and sand mortar gauged a little under the strength of the brick and matched to the original sand.

What is NHL, and which grade do you use?

Natural hydraulic lime, and the number after it is a strength class. The choice comes from the wall rather than a preference: the softer the brick and the more exposed the elevation, the more carefully it has to be picked, and the aim is always a mortar a shade weaker than the masonry around it. We put the mix in the written quote so it is on record before work starts.

Can you make a wall watertight now and do the proper job later?

Often, yes, and in the autumn it is usually the right call. We sheet the elevation, temporarily fill the worst of the open joints to stop water getting into the wall, then book the permanent work for the spring. It shows on the quote as two visits so you can see what the holding measure costs.

Free quote

Get the survey done now and the work booked for good weather

Thomas comes out whatever the month, tests the joints, photographs every elevation and sends a written itemised quote with the mix and the dates on it. Free.