Repointing in Hyde, starting at the foot of the wall

The band nearest the ground raked out and pointed in something that can dry, lime on the older solid walls, and the levels outside looked at too.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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Your joints are due when they have weathered back or gone soft and green, and on a wall out in Hyde the ones nearest the ground almost always go first, because that band never gets the chance to dry. The job is raking them out by hand and repointing in a mix that lets water back out, never a stronger one that traps it. Brick faces that have blown off need cutting out and replacing.

Where it starts

What usually needs looking at

Repointing a brick wall by hand, mortar being struck into a raked-out joint (illustrative photo for repointing in Hyde)
Struck by handOne joint at a time, filled and struck so the face sheds water. Illustrative photo.

The first thing people in Hyde describe is rarely the joint: a dark band along the bottom of an outside wall that climbs a little further every wet winter, brick faces flaking off in the courses just above the ground, or salty white powder inside a wall that used to be dry. Now and again it is a chimney dropping grit, the same problem at the other end of the building.

Almost all of that is mortar. We look at the whole of a Hyde house rather than the patch you have noticed, run a key along the joints, tap the courses for the hollow note that means the pointing has parted from the brick, and look at what the ground is doing outside. The survey is written up elevation by elevation, itemised, with the bands we would do now separated from the ones that can wait. The visit and the quote are free.

The work

Mortar repairs from the ground up

Raked-out joints on a red brick pier being filled with fresh mortar (one of our own jobs, shown for repointing in Hyde)
Raked back firstDepth before filling. A disc widens the joint and takes the arris off. Photo from one of our own jobs.

The bottom three or four courses. Ground that drains slowly holds water against the foot of a wall for days after heavy rain, and rain bouncing off a path throws more back into the same band.

Those joints stay saturated, salts crystallise in them and in the brick, and the frost finishes the job. On a Hyde wall we rake that band out to depth, replace the bricks whose faces have blown, and point it back in a mix more permeable than the brick so the wall can dry outwards.

Raking out. Joints come back twice their width, deeper wherever the mortar behind is friable, and by hand. An angle grinder widens the joint, wanders off the line and takes the arris off the brick, and on soft old brick that damage is permanent. Joints are brushed out and damped down before filling, and struck once the mix has taken up.

Lime on solid walls. The older buildings in Hyde have no cavity behind the brick. They are breathable walls that shed water by letting it evaporate back out through the joint, so the mortar has to stay softer and more open than the brick. Those get an NHL lime or lime putty mix gauged to match the sand in your own mortar, struck flush or slightly recessed to what the wall carries. Where a wall has been repointed in sand and cement, that hard mix is why the brick faces beside it spall, and taking it out is the repair.

Matching. Mortar colour comes mostly from its sand, so a match is found rather than mixed from a tin. We take a sample of the soundest original from a sheltered spot and put a trial panel up on a discreet part of the wall for you to judge in daylight.

Chimneys. A Hyde stack has weather on four sides and nothing warming it, so it goes friable early and the penetrating damp from an open joint arrives on a bedroom ceiling. Pointing it, cutting out frost damaged brick and renewing the flaunching need one platform and one visit.

How it runs

Repointing with the right mortar for the wall

Brick corner with a moulded plinth course, mortar matched to the original work (illustrative photo for repointing in Hyde)
Matched, not guessedColour, sand and joint profile picked up from what is already there. Illustrative photo.

Nothing is priced until Thomas has seen the wall. He works out what the old mortar is and how far it has eroded, whether the brick is soft or hard, and which face takes the weather. Some older walls around Hyde are laid in lime, and repointing those in cement does real damage. Your quote sets out, line by line, the access, how much raking out there is, brick replacement, the area of each elevation, the mortar mix and disposal.

On soft brick the joints are raked by hand. Doors and windows are sheeted, and the dust is swept up daily. Lime has to be kept from frost and from drying out too fast, so the work follows the weather and hessian goes over the wall when it is needed. Waste goes with us. If spalled bricks prove worse than they looked, photographs and a price for replacements come to you first.

Repointing like for like counts as repair. Nothing needs applying for, and building control has no part in it. Hyde is in the New Forest National Park, which is its own planning authority. Hyde is in the Western Escarpment Conservation Area, so ask the Authority before any change of mortar. On a listed building the mortar is protected fabric, so a different mix, colour or joint profile needs listed building consent. National Park heritage and conservation guidance sets out the process.

Cost

Soft brick, lime and frost: pricing a repoint

Stone gable with the joints repointed in a lime mortar (illustrative photo for repointing in Hyde)
Stone wants limeOn rubble stone the mortar is most of the surface, and it has to breathe. Illustrative photo.

A wall's size is a poor guide to the price until someone has checked its joints. Access. A Hyde cottage behind a soft grass verge, a two storey house with a tall gable, and a single storey range differ more in access than in the work itself. Soft ground is boarded out before a scaffold can stand. The work at height rules turn access into a line of its own.

The joints. On soft brick the only safe way to rake out is by hand, and it is slow. How far back each joint has to come, and how many faces have already spalled, drive the hours much more than the square metres do.

The mix. An over-strong cement mortar traps water in soft brick, and one hard frost can blow the face off. Lime is slower to work with and slower to cure, but on most older walls it is the right material. Historic Environment Scotland on lime and cement in traditional mortars explains why.

Low down. The bottom courses usually take the most water, particularly where garden soil has crept up the wall over time. If those joints have failed, part of the fix may be lowering the ground.

Ask each firm how deep they will rake and whether by hand or disc, which mix they propose and why, how they will protect lime while it cures, and whether scaffold is included.

If water is getting in

Washed-out joints letting rain into the house

Damp showing on an inside wall means ringing us, not filling in the form. Once joints have washed out, driven rain gets through to the inside, and on a chimney it gets under the flashings as well.

We come out, sheet or temporarily point the worst area, and price the elevation when it is dry enough to judge properly. If the damp is down at skirting level, tell us, as the lowest joints often fail first and we will check the outside ground levels on that visit. Scheduled work runs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. When the line is busy, Thomas returns missed calls as soon as he can.

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Worth knowing

Standing water at the foot of the wall sets the mix

Hyde is not in a river flood zone and Huckles Brook is far enough off not to be the issue. What affects brickwork here is surface water. The ground here sheds slowly, so after a heavy spell water stands and moves across the surface instead of soaking away, and where it reaches the foot of a wall it stays.

A joint wet for weeks never carbonates properly if it is new and never dries if it is old, which is why the bottom band of a wall out in Hyde fails a generation before the rest.

At the base the mix has to be soft, permeable and able to give water up, never a strong joint and never a cement fillet where the wall meets the ground. Then there is the ground itself. If a path, a drive or raised borders have brought the level up over the damp proof course, no mortar solves that, and the channel is better dug back down before the pointing than after. You can check what the ground does at your address on the government flood risk service, and we will look at the levels on the free visit either way.

Who you are dealing with

Who comes out to look at your walls

We are 12.7 miles from Hyde, at our base in Boscombe, and cover the village, Frogham, Godshill, Fordingbridge and the other villages along the western edge of the Forest, broadly SP6. The New Forest NPA is the planning authority for the village.

You deal with Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719. Checking the mortar and writing up the price is Thomas Hannen's job, because it is his firm. A verified Checkatrade customer scored the work 10 out of 10. Both the visit and the itemised quote on paper are free. Before you book a visit in Hyde, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Hyde?

Most repairs in Hyde need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Hyde, from council and national records.
Question In Hyde
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for Hyde. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area Yes: Western Escarpment Conservation Area. Check whether your street is inside the boundary before changing anything visible.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Hyde. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Questions about repointing in Hyde

There is a dark band along the bottom of the wall. Will repointing cure it?

Only once you know where the water is arriving from. If the joints in that band are open and crumbling, repointing in a permeable mix makes a real difference. If they are sound and the band is still there, the water is coming up from the ground or standing against the wall outside, and mortar will not fix that. We look at the ground levels first.

Should the brickwork be sealed to keep the water out?

No, water still finds a way in through open joints and around openings, and once the face has been sealed it cannot get back out, so it collects in the wall and leaves through whatever is still permeable, which on a solid wall is usually the inside plaster. Point the joints and let the wall do what it was built to do.

Does being in the National Park hold a repointing job up?

Like for like repair does not need an application, so on most buildings it changes nothing about the timing. What it changes is the specification, because appearance is controlled and the National Park is its own planning authority. If the building is listed, consent has to be in place before a joint is opened, so start early.

Our joints are soft but the bricks look sound. Is that urgent?

It is the right time to act, not an emergency. A soft joint is doing its job, failing before the brick does, so deal with it now and the repair is pointing and nothing else. Leave it and you add cut out bricks and a brick match. On a sheltered elevation they can usually wait a season.

Can lime mortar cope with a wall that genuinely gets wet?

That is exactly what it is for. Lime is not waterproof and is not meant to be. It takes water in and gives it back up quickly, which keeps the moving water in the joint rather than the brick, and it is soft enough to take a little movement without cracking. It will not tolerate a frost or drying too fast, so on a wet site we work in settled weather and protect the joints while they cure.

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Get the bottom of the wall looked at properly

Thomas comes out, tests the joints high and low, checks the ground levels and puts the price in writing, itemised, at no cost to you.