Patios in Hyde, drained before they are paved

Surface water risk is rated high around here, so the first question on a new terrace is not which slab you like but whether the ground will take the water the patio stops absorbing.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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A patio is a sealed surface, and at Hyde, on ground that already struggles to take surface water that has to be designed rather than assumed. The usual soakaway at the bottom of the garden is the first thing to test here, because if the ground will not swallow it, the water comes back up through the joints.

Most patio trouble in Hyde comes down to water. A terrace that stands in puddles for two days after rain. Slabs sunk in one corner where the base has washed. And a doorway where water now runs towards the house instead of away.

So a Hyde survey starts with a hole rather than a brochure. We dig a trial pit, see how fast it drains, take levels off the building, then price it in writing with the dig, the muck away, the sub base, the falls, the drainage, the edgings, the paving and the jointing on separate lines. The site visit and the itemised quote are free.

The work

Paving on ground that does not drain

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Hyde)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Testing the ground comes first. A trial pit filled with water in a Hyde garden tells you more than any survey on paper. If it stands, a soakaway will not work and the drainage has to go somewhere else. That single test decides most of what follows.

The dig and the muck away. Turf, topsoil, roots, old concrete and made ground get excavated out to a firm formation. On wet Hyde ground we dig in dry weather where we can, because a saturated subgrade will not compact. Spoil goes out to a grab lorry or a skip.

The sub base. MOT type 1 in compacted layers, deeper where the ground is soft, with a geotextile between subgrade and stone so the two do not pump together in the wet. Hardcore is fine on a small dry area but not on ground like this.

Permeable build ups. Where the ground will take water, an open graded stone reservoir under the paving with open joints above it holds runoff and lets it away slowly. It is a real option in Hyde and it is quoted as a build up, not as a jointing choice.

Drainage that goes somewhere. Where a soakaway will not work the answer is a positive outfall: an ACO channel across the low side or the threshold, falls carrying runoff into it, and a gully into a drain that leads away. The water has to stay on your own land.

Falls and the damp course. A steady fall away from the house across the whole surface, and a finished level at least two courses below the damp proof course. On a low threshold that means a recessed channel across the doorway rather than building the paving up.

Porcelain, sandstone, limestone and granite. Calibrated porcelain absorbs almost nothing, comes slip rated and stays clean in a shaded damp garden. Riven sandstone and limestone suit older Hyde cottages better, and granite is dense and hard wearing for steps. Riven stone is not calibrated, so each piece is bedded to its own thickness.

Full bed, never dabs. A full wet mortar bed under every slab with a slurry primer on the back of porcelain. Dabbed slabs are hollow underneath, and on wet ground the void fills with water and the flag lifts in a frost.

Edges, steps and retaining. Haunched edging or a kerb to hold the outer course, a retaining edge with a coping where the ground is held back, and step treads on a full bed with an overhang so water drips clear.

Jointing and repairs. Resin grout brushed into damp joints, or pointing in mortar on riven stone. We also relay sunk and rocking flags, cut out cracked ones and deal with staining, efflorescence and a green slippery surface.

How it runs

Laying a patio on slow draining ground

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Hyde)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Thomas looks at your Hyde garden, finds the damp proof course and asks where water lies after rain. The quote lists the excavation and muck away, the sub base, the falls and the water's route away, edgings and steps, the slabs, and the jointing.

Thomas is your contact through the digging and laying. If the only way into a Hyde garden is a gate or across a paddock, we board the route and plan how the barrows run. The garden is tidied each evening, and spoil and old slabs go with us. Tree roots, an old concrete base or a drain in the way will stop the dig until you have seen a photo and a price.

A ground level patio is normally permitted development. A raised terrace, a boundary wall or a new connection to a drain brings building control and the Park into it. Planning applications here go to the Park Authority. Hyde lies in the Western Escarpment Conservation Area, where trees are protected as well. Twenty one entries in the parish are listed, and the Park's heritage and conservation guidance explains what those designations mean for a garden. How the patio meets the house is governed by Approved Document C.

Cost

What a patio really costs is in the ground work

You choose the slabs, and they are usually the smallest part of what you pay. Access. A garden a barrow can get into through a gate, a yard a lorry can reach, and a house tucked behind a paddock are priced for access one by one. Every slab carried by hand adds labour. Where there are steps or a raised edge, the HSE's work at height rules apply.

Clearing the ground. Old concrete, raised beds, roots and buried rubble all have to come out and be carted away, and that is charged by the load. Roots from a protected tree change how the dig is done.

Levels. The finished patio must slope away from the house and sit two courses beneath the damp proof course. With a high surface water risk and ground that drains slowly, a channel drain along the house wall is often needed, along with steps or a retaining edge.

Stone type. Natural stone varies in thickness and is slower to lay than porcelain or concrete, and each takes its own bed and joint.

Ask other firms how deep they dig and which sub base they use, whether slabs sit on a full wet bed or on dabs, where the falls send the water, and which jointing compound goes in.

If it has become a hazard

A lifted slab, a dropped step or water against the wall

Patios rarely need an emergency visit, but a slab that has lifted or a step that has sunk will trip someone, and a Hyde terrace in the shade of trees can go slippery with algae. If someone could fall, ring rather than filling in the form.

On the first visit the worst slabs are lifted and re-bedded, or the step is made safe, and we check whether the base under the rest has given way. If water is sitting against the house wall, call while it is still wet, because seeing where it lies tells us more than any dry survey. Planned jobs run Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. If your call goes unanswered, we phone back when there is a break in the work.

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The one local thing

Surface water, and why the soakaway is the first question

The flood maps put Hyde outside the river flood zones, but they rate the surface water risk here as high, and Huckles Brook runs a little over half a kilometre away. You can check what applies to an address in a couple of minutes. What that classification means on the ground is simple: after heavy rain the water has nowhere quick to go.

A patio makes that worse if nobody thinks about it. Turn a stretch of lawn into a sealed surface and the rain that used to soak in has to run somewhere. On saturated ground a soakaway at the bottom of the garden fills and stays full, and then the water backs up under the paving and comes through the joints.

So in Hyde we test before we design. If the trial pit drains, a permeable build up over a stone reservoir is usually the answer, holding water under the patio and letting it away slowly. If it does not, the surface gets a positive outfall: channels, falls and a gully into a drain that leads somewhere real. Either way it goes on the quote as its own item.

Who you are dealing with

Patios near Frogham and Godshill, and who lays them

Hyde is a 12.7 mile trip from our base in Boscombe. We lay patios in the village, Frogham, Godshill and the lanes up onto the escarpment, broadly SP6. Planning decisions there rest with the Park Authority.

You are dealing with Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719. The garden is walked and the patio priced by Thomas Hannen, who owns the company. A customer verified by Checkatrade gave us 10 out of 10. The visit and the written, itemised quote cost nothing. Water that will not soak away at the back will not at the front either, so a driveway in Hyde needs a proper outfall too. Before you book a visit in Hyde, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Hyde?

Most repairs in Hyde need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Hyde, from council and national records.
Question In Hyde
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for Hyde. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area Yes: Western Escarpment Conservation Area. Check whether your street is inside the boundary before changing anything visible.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Hyde. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Questions about patios in Hyde

Will a new patio make the wet patch in my garden worse?

A new patio can make a wet patch worse, and it is a fair question in Hyde. Sealing an area sends the rain that used to soak in somewhere else. That is why we test the ground first and either build a permeable reservoir under the paving or give the surface an outfall.

How do you know whether a soakaway will work?

By digging a pit and filling it with water. If it empties at a reasonable rate a soakaway is viable and we size it from that. If it sits full, no amount of digging will help and the water needs somewhere else to go.

What is a permeable patio and does it look different?

It looks much the same from a chair. The difference is underneath: an open graded stone layer that stores water, with joints above it that let rain through instead of shedding it. It is quoted as a build up rather than as a type of slab.

Why does water come up through the joints after heavy rain?

Because it has nowhere else to go. Either the ground under the base is saturated and the water is backing up, or a soakaway has filled. Rejointing the surface will not fix that. The drainage under it has to be sorted first.

Can you connect the patio drainage into an existing drain?

Sometimes, and it depends what the drain is and where it goes. Surface water and foul drainage are not the same system and must not be mixed. We trace it before anything is connected, and it is on the quote as its own item.

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Get the ground tested before the patio is designed

Thomas comes out, digs a trial pit, takes levels across the garden and prices the dig, the base, the drainage, the falls and the jointing in writing. The visit and the quote are free.