Patios in Breamore, working under the eaves

Thatch has no gutter, so the water lands in a line on the ground, and where you stop the paving matters more than what you pave with.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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A thatched roof has no gutter. Rain runs off the reed, clears the wall by a good foot or more and lands in a line on the ground below. Lay slabs tight to a cob or brick wall under thatch and you have built a splashback that throws water straight back at the building.

So the trouble in Breamore is the strip next to the house as much as the terrace itself. Paving that has sunk and now sits wet along the wall. A gravel margin that has silted up and stopped draining. And slabs eroded and stained in a neat line where the drip off the eaves has been hitting them for years.

We come to Breamore and look at where the water actually lands before anything is designed. Then you get a written itemised quote with the dig, the muck away, the sub base, the drainage, the edgings, the slabs and the jointing on separate lines. The site visit and the quote are free.

The work

Paving under a deep thatched eaves

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Breamore)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Clearing the ground comes first. The old surface at a Breamore house, its bedding and any old concrete are broken out and excavated to a firm formation. Along the drip line there is usually a channel of washed out, saturated ground that has to come out with the rest. Spoil, roots and rubble go by the load.

The drip line strip. Under the eaves we do not pave tight to the wall. A margin of open graded gravel over a geotextile, or a slot drain running the length of the elevation, takes the drip, soaks up the splash and lets the base of the wall breathe. On a cob or soft brick wall that strip is the single most valuable part of the job.

The sub base. MOT Type 1 in thin lifts, whacked to full compaction, carried past the edge of the paving, with a separator underneath on soft ground. The valley ground in Breamore is soft in places, and an under compacted base under a terrace people use daily starts to settle within a couple of years.

Full mortar bed. Every slab on a full wet bed with a slurry primer painted on the back. Dabs leave voids, voids fill with water and the frost lifts corners. Near a thatched Breamore elevation there is more water about than anywhere else in the garden, so the bedding has to be right.

What we lay. Porcelain is calibrated, takes up no water, does not stain and copes with a constant drip better than anything. Riven sandstone looks right against an old Breamore cottage and is porous, so it will darken under the eaves. Limestone marks. Granite is hard wearing and unforgiving to cut. Travertine we would not put under thatch at all.

Levels against an old wall. Paving falls away from the house and finishes at least two courses below the DPC, and on a Breamore cottage of this age there may be no damp course to find, in which case the level comes off the floor inside. Approved Document C is the reference for why that matters on a solid wall.

Where the water goes. The drip line has to reach somewhere. That is normally a channel and a gully to an outfall, or a soakaway sited well clear of the footings where the ground will take the runoff. A permeable build up over open graded stone is the other route and it keeps everything on your own land.

Edges, steps and jointing. A haunched edging or kerb at the lawn, a retaining edge with coping where a level is held, and steps with equal risers. Joints get a brush in resin compound worked wet and tooled off, or hand pointing on old stonework. The repairs are the usual list: lifted or rocking slabs, a sunk corner, cracked stone, algae along the shaded side, efflorescence on new sandstone and staining down the drip line.

How it runs

Laying a patio next to an old house

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Breamore)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Thomas comes out to Breamore and looks at the back of the house before the garden. He finds the damp proof course, if there is one, checks the level of the door thresholds, and, if the roof is thatched, where the drip line falls, because a thatched eaves has no gutter and the rain lands in a line along the wall.

You get a written quote with the digging, the spoil to be taken away, the sub-base, the falls and drainage, edging, any steps, the paving itself and the jointing all priced separately. Thomas is your contact from start to finish.

Most materials for a Breamore patio come in through a gate or along the side of the house, so we plan the route and board it. Spoil leaves with us as we dig. The garden is tidied each evening. If the dig turns up old foundations, a buried path or a drain, it is photographed and priced before we carry on.

Ground level paving in a back garden is normally permitted development and needs no planning permission. Building control only comes in where a retaining structure is built. The appearance of the setting of a listed building is protected, so if your house is one of the parish's listed entries, check with New Forest District Council before work starts, and bear in mind that the village is in the Breamore Conservation Area.

Cost

Where the cost goes on a patio at an older house

The house sets the level. The patio must finish below the damp proof course and fall away from the walls. Many older houses have no damp proof course at all, and their walls rely on drying out at the base. A Breamore patio laid tight against a solid wall and above the floor level inside traps water there. That can mean digging lower, stepping down, or leaving a gravel strip along the wall so it can breathe.

Rain off the roof. Where a roof has no gutter, water falls along the eaves line. A patio under that line needs a drainage channel or a gravel strip to take it, or it splashes back onto the wall.

What comes out first. Old concrete, a raised bed, roots or buried rubble all have to come out first, and muck away is priced by the load.

The material. Natural stone, reclaimed flags or brick paviours can suit an older house. Porcelain is thin and needs a full wet bed and a primer. Reclaimed material varies in thickness and takes longer to lay.

Getting it in. A patio where every slab must be carried through a narrow gate costs more in labour than one a digger can reach.

Ask any other quote about the dig depth and the sub-base, how the patio meets the wall, and where the water off the roof will go.

If it has become a hazard

Slippery slabs or a step that has dropped

If a slab has lifted or a step by the back door has dropped, cover it with a pot or a board so nobody trips. If a Breamore patio is green and slick in winter, sweep it hard and keep people off it until it can be cleaned properly.

If the wall beside the patio has gone dark and soft at the base, mention it, because that is often the patio level trapping water. Ring rather than filling in the form. Patio work is planned Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm; leave a message if nobody answers and you will hear from us once we are able. On the first visit the worst slabs are lifted and relaid safely.

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Worth knowing

Thatch throws its water at your patio

A tiled roof ends in a gutter. A thatched roof does not. The reed is laid thick and it overhangs, so rainwater leaves the roof well out from the wall and falls as a line onto whatever is underneath. In a heavy shower that is a surprising amount of water arriving in a narrow strip, over and over again in the same place.

Pave right up to the wall with a hard, sealed surface and the drip hammers the same slabs until they erode and stain, while every drop that hits bounces back onto the bottom of the wall. On cob, soft brick or lime pointed stonework that constant splash is what takes the face off. The patio has become a problem for the building rather than an improvement to the garden.

The answer is old and it works. Leave the drip line unpaved. A margin of open graded gravel over a geotextile, or a slot drain, running the full length of the elevation, absorbs the fall, stops the splash and lets the wall dry. The paving starts beyond it and falls away from the house. It costs a little of the terrace and it saves the wall, and on a listed cottage that is not a close decision.

Who you are dealing with

Who comes out to set your patio levels

You deal with the owner, Thomas Hannen, who comes into the garden to take the levels and then writes the patio price. From his Boscombe base it is 16.1 miles to Breamore, and he covers Woodgreen, Hale and the Avon villages of SP6.

All of them fall under New Forest District Council. The firm you would be dealing with is Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales under company number 15471719, public for anyone to check. Checkatrade lists a verified customer's 10 out of 10. The visit to measure is free, and you pay nothing for a quote broken down line by line. The drip line off a thatch lands on the front path too, and a driveway in Breamore near the wall needs the same margin. Before you book a visit in Breamore, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Breamore?

Most repairs in Breamore need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Breamore, from council and national records.
Question In Breamore
Who decides New Forest District Council is the planning authority for Breamore. The National Park boundary runs close by, and the Park's property map shows which side an address falls.
Conservation area Yes: Breamore Conservation Area. Check whether your street is inside the boundary before changing anything visible.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Breamore. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape No National Park or National Landscape covers Breamore.

Questions

Questions about patios in Breamore

Should paving go right up to the wall of a thatched cottage?

Under Breamore thatch the drip line should stay unpaved. A margin of open gravel over a geotextile, or a slot drain, takes the water off the thatch and stops it splashing back at the wall. Slabs tight to the wall under thatch is the one detail we always argue about.

What has eroded a line across my slabs next to the house?

The drip off the eaves. It lands in the same place every shower and works on the surface until it pits and stains. Porcelain resists it far better than a porous stone, but the real fix is not paving that strip at all.

Can a patio damage a cob wall?

It can. A hard surface tight to the wall bounces rain back onto the base of it, and cob does not like being kept wet. Add a level built up over the years and you have wet ground against a wall with no damp course, which is how the face starts to go.

Does the terrace need consent if the cottage is listed?

Work to a listed building needs consent in its own right, and that can include what is done immediately around it. An ordinary patio further down the garden usually does not. We say which you have at the quote rather than after we have started.

How wide should the gravel margin be?

Wide enough to catch the drip, which means it is set by how far the thatch overhangs rather than by a standard figure. We stand outside in the rain if we get the chance, or read the line the water has already worn on the ground.

Free quote

Find out where your paving should stop

Thomas comes out, reads where the water lands and prices the drip margin, the drainage and the paving in writing. The visit and the quote are free.