Loft insulation in Breamore

Loft floors, hatches, rafter level work and the ventilation that has to go with them, on village roofs that were never built to a pattern.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

An old roof will take a proper depth of insulation, but only if it can still breathe at the eaves. We check that first, because a loft sealed up tight is a loft that gets wet.

The calls here tend to come after a cold snap. A bedroom under the roof that will not hold heat overnight. A loft somebody has finally got into, where the wool sits in loose handfuls between hand cut joists that are nowhere near a standard spacing. Or damp marks on a ceiling that turn out to be coming from above rather than through.

We come out and get into the roof properly. That means measuring depth in several places rather than at the hatch, feeling whether air still moves past the wall plate, and reading the underside of the covering for the stains that show where moisture has been sitting. You get photographs of what is up there and an itemised written quote. The site visit costs nothing and neither does the quote.

The work

Old roofs, and what can safely go into them

Mineral wool insulation laid between and over the ceiling joists in a loft
Two layers, crossedThe second layer runs across the joists so the timber stops being a cold bridge.

Reading what is there. Village lofts rarely hold a tidy layer. What we find has settled and compressed, gone patchy across the middle and is missing altogether at the edges, with gaps where cables and pipes were pulled through. Sound, dry material stays and the new layer goes over it. Material that is damp, black underneath or contaminated with droppings comes out, is bagged at the hatch and leaves with us.

What goes down. Mineral wool does most of the work, as a glass wool roll or a firmer rockwool batt, and on hand cut joists at odd centres it gets cut to the bay rather than forced into it. Loose fill suits an irregular ceiling better than a roll. Sheep wool is available. Where the space is too shallow for depth, PIR rigid board goes in cut tight and taped, and a multi-foil quilt covers the last of it.

Depth, in two layers. One layer laid flush between the joists is where most old lofts stop, and it leaves every timber conducting heat straight through the ceiling. The first layer goes between the joists, then a second is cross laid across and over the joists at right angles to break that bridge. Around 270mm in total gets a ceiling to the U value Part L now looks for, and it is the biggest single cut in heat loss most of these houses have left.

Ventilation is not optional here. The quilt ends at the wall plate and the eaves stay open, with vent trays keeping a clear air gap so cross ventilation moves through from eaves to eaves as before. Older roofs often have no underlay at all, or a brittle felt, and a modern breathable membrane behaves differently again, so the detail changes with the roof. Seal the eaves up and the vapour that used to drift out condenses on the underside instead, the dew point moves into the layer, and interstitial condensation turns into black mould on the rafters. Approved Document F is where the ventilation standard sits, and on some roofs a ridge vent is the honest fix.

Everything else up there. Every recessed light gets a rated cover instead of being buried, and cables get clipped over the finished depth, as buried wiring runs hot and has to be de-rated. A the cold water tank, its lid and the pipework are now in cold air, so all of it gets lagging, with the patch beneath the tank left thinner on purpose. The hatch gets insulated on its back and sealed, and a loft ladder that flexes gets mentioned rather than ignored.

How it runs

From your call to a written price

Rigid insulation board fitted between the rafters in a loft
Board where depth is shortRigid board earns its place where the headroom will not take quilt.

Same team from first visit to last, one person to ring, and no sub-contracting your work out to somebody you have never met. The quote is itemised, not a figure on the back of a card: the survey, clearing and bagging whatever is up there now, the material and its depth, keeping the eaves clear, the hatch and any pipework, and disposal on separate lines, so you can compare it properly against anyone else's.

Nothing is left open or unusable overnight. The site is swept at the end of each day rather than the end of the job, and what comes out leaves with us. If something turns up once we start that nobody could have seen, you get a photograph and a price before we carry on.

A loft floor is inside the building, so it is not development and no permitted development limit applies, which Planning Portal guidance on insulation sets out. New Forest District Council is the planning authority here. Building control only arrives if the loft is converted or if more than half of a roof is renovated, which under regulation 23 has to bring the whole element up to the current standard. Insulation materials of this kind fall under the VAT relief on energy saving materials in HMRC VAT Notice 708/6.

Cost

What decides the price of a loft

A loft insulated at rafter level with the gable filled and a rooflight fitted
At rafter levelA room in the roof is a different job from a cold loft floor.

No rate per square metre, because the floor area is the easy part and the awkward edges are where the time goes.

Getting to it. A thatched or tiled cottage with a trapdoor in a back bedroom, a farmhouse with a proper staircase into the roof, and a post-war house with a small hatch on the landing are three quite different jobs before a roll is opened, and every one of them starts with work at height. A hatch on a landing you can stand a ladder under is one job. A hatch over a stairwell, a crawl space you can only move through on your knees, or a loft full of boarding that has to come up and go back, is time before any material is laid.

What is up there now, and what it is sitting on. Old material that has to come out, be bagged and taken away is a cost before anything new goes down, and so is a loft full of boxes that has to be emptied and put back. Joists at 400 centres with a flat run across them is a different afternoon from a trussed roof full of bracing.

Ventilation, and the edges nobody reaches. Insulation stops at the wall plate and the eaves have to stay clear, or you trade a warm bedroom for a wet roof. Getting depth right into the corners and around the hatch, boxing over downlighters and lagging anything that now sits in the cold, is most of the labour. Approved Document L sets what the work is expected to reach.

Comparing quotes? Ask what depth is actually being laid and in how many layers, whether the old material is coming out or being covered over, whether the eaves are being kept clear, what happens to anything you store up there, and whether the hatch and the pipework are included. Two quotes for the same job are usually two different jobs.

If the loft is wet

Water running off the felt, or mould on the underside

Plasterboard taped and jointed on a lined loft wall
Lined, then tapedWhere the loft becomes a room, the boarding and the joints come next.

Ring rather than use the form. Droplets on the underside of the felt, black mould spreading across the roof timbers, or insulation that is visibly damp are all telling you the same thing: warm wet air is getting into a space that cannot breathe. That does not wait, because it is the timbers that pay for it. We look before anything is added, because putting more insulation into a loft that cannot ventilate makes it worse. Breamore is a run up the valley for us, so we will fix a time rather than promise an hour, and a wet loft goes to the front of the queue. The phone is answered 24 hours for emergencies; scheduled work runs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm.

Call now: 07435 839745

Worth knowing

The only loft work that shows from the lane is the ventilation

The village has a conservation area of its own, and there are more than sixty listed entries in and immediately around it. For a loft that cuts one way. Nothing laid on a loft floor is visible from the road, so the depth, the material, the boarding and the sealed hatch are yours to decide and need no application from anybody.

What can show is the ventilation. If a roof cannot breathe at the eaves and the honest fix is a run of vent tiles, an over fascia vent or a ridge vent, that is a change to the outside of the building, and inside a conservation area it is a conversation with the district council rather than a free choice. On a listed building it goes further, because consent there reaches internal work as well, so a lining fixed against a sloping ceiling or anything that alters a historic roof structure needs settling before it starts. Our advice is the same either way. Get the loft floor to depth first, since nobody can object to it, and treat any opening in the roof as its own small application rather than something to do quietly and argue about later.

Who you are dealing with

A local firm you can check

We cover Breamore, Woodgreen, Fordingbridge, Godshill, Sandleheath and Rockbourne, and the SP6 addresses around them, with New Forest District Council as the authority for planning and building control. You are dealing with Bournemouth Roofing & Building, the trading name of Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719, which you can look up in a minute. Thomas Hannen's business, and he is the one who comes out to price the job, not a salesman. A verified customer's 10 out of 10 on Checkatrade. The visit and the written quote are both free.

Questions

Breamore questions we get asked

How long is the job, realistically?

A day for most, a little more where the joists are hand cut and every piece has to be measured and trimmed to its bay. Clearing old material out first, or emptying and refilling a loft used for storage, adds the best part of another day. We will tell you which of those you have at the visit.

Our roof has no felt under the tiles. Is that a problem?

It is usually an advantage, because a roof like that ventilates itself through a hundred small gaps. What it does mean is dust and grit blowing down onto the new layer, so anything stored up there wants boarding over properly, and it means we take more care that the material is held down rather than left loose at the perimeter.

Can we still use the loft for storage?

Yes, on loft legs. They carry a raised floor above the full depth so the quilt is never squashed flat, which is what makes most boarded lofts useless. We board the part you actually use as a platform and leave the rest at depth. A platform laid straight on the joists loses youwhich costs you most of the improvement.

We have rooms in the roof. Is that the same job?

No. With no loft floor to work on, a room in roof goes at rafter level and becomes a warm roof: rigid board cut between the rafters with a clear gap kept above, another layer beneath, and the sloping ceiling and any dormer cheek carried through as one continuous layer. It is slower and it is priced on its own.

Free quote

Have the loft looked at properly

Free site visit in Breamore, free written itemised quote, and an honest view on whether the roof can take the depth before anything is ordered.