Patios in Thorney Hill

The National Park Authority is the planning authority here, and for a patio that comes down to height rather than to what the paving is made of.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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A patio laid on the ground at Thorney Hill is ordinarily permitted development, National Park or not. Raise it into a platform, or add a wall along a visible boundary, and it becomes a planning matter, so the sensible design digs down instead of building up.

A patio in Thorney Hill is usually an old terrace that has settled, gone green and now sheds water back towards the house, or a plan for a proper sitting area held up because somebody has heard that the National Park makes everything difficult.

It mostly does not, for paving. We come out to Thorney Hill, take a survey of the levels, tell you exactly where the line between permitted development and an application sits for your job, and price the dig, the base, the edging, the drainage and the paving on separate lines in a written itemised quote. The site visit and the quote are free.

The work

Designing a patio low enough to stay simple

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Thorney Hill)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Settling the height before anything else. In Thorney Hill, inside the National Park, the question that decides a patio is not what it is made of, it is how far it stands above the ground. Paving on the ground is ordinarily permitted development; a platform built up above it is not, and nor is a wall along a boundary. We settle that at the survey.

Keeping it low, and getting the fall anyway. The way to stay out of trouble is to dig down rather than build up, which happens to be the right answer for the house as well. We chalk the DPC on the brickwork, finish the paving two courses below it, and detail the threshold with a recessed channel where a flush doorway is wanted rather than adding height.

The dig and the muck away. Turf and topsoil, old concrete, flags bedded on sand, roots and any made ground, all excavated to formation. Access along the Thorney Hill lanes varies, so the quote says whether the spoil leaves by barrow through a side gate or by machinery into a skip, priced by the load.

Base and bed. Geotextile membrane, MOT Type 1 hardcore compacted in layers, a sharp sand screed to level it, then a full bed of mortar under every slab with a slurry primer on the back. A proper mortar bed does not go hollow. Dabs do, and a hollow slab is the one that ends up rocking, cracked and holding water.

Materials that suit the setting. Riven Indian sandstone and a soft buff limestone weather in and sit well against the older Thorney Hill cottages. Porcelain is calibrated, takes on almost no water and is easiest to keep clean out of sight of the lane. Granite is dense and dark, travertine holds water. Samples get laid out wet against your own wall.

Walls, edges and steps. Retaining walls sit on a footing with a coping over them, the perimeter is held with a haunched kerb or an edging bedded in concrete, and a gravel border runs along the wall to take splashback. Height limits apply to boundary and retaining walls in their own right, which is worth checking before a design is settled.

Where the water goes. The fall runs off the house into an ACO channel, an existing gully or a soakaway set well clear of the foundations, with a permeable build up where the runoff has nowhere to travel. Out in Thorney Hill there is rarely a convenient drain, so this is a designed part of the job rather than an afterthought.

Jointing, and the paving you already have. Joints take a brush in resin compound, a grout slurry or hand pointing in mortar, never loose sand. Where a patio has only lifted or sunk in one bay, or gone slippery with algae and shown efflorescence and staining, we quote the clean, the re-joint or the lift and relay rather than a rebuild.

How it runs

Building a patio that stays level on clay

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Thorney Hill)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Tell us where the patio goes and how you use the garden. Many plots in Thorney Hill are large and back onto trees or open ground. Thomas visits, sets out levels from the damp proof course, looks at the soil and any roots near by, and writes the price himself. Thomas is your contact through the digging, sub-base and laying.

Your quote shows the dig and spoil removal, sub-base depth, falls and drainage, edging and steps, the paving itself, and the jointing, all as separate lines. Machinery and a skip can usually get onto the plot; where the only route is through a narrow gate or the house, everything is barrowed or carried and the floors are sheeted. At the end of each day the work area is left safe underfoot. Roots, old concrete or soft ground found in the dig are shown to you with a price before we go on.

Paving at ground level is ordinarily permitted development, and a raised platform is where that usually stops; the government guidance on when permission is required sets it out. The National Park Authority is the planning authority and keeps a property map of what covers your address. There is no conservation area here and few listed buildings, and the National Park's heritage pages explain consent. The level against the house is a building control matter, from Approved Document C.

Cost

What drives the price of a patio in a big garden

The paving you pick out is normally the cheapest part of the job. The ground and the route in decide the rest.

Getting materials in. A Thorney Hill cottage on a lane with one narrow gate, a paddock plot where a digger and a skip can drive on, and a house where everything crosses the kitchen are different jobs, and every slab carried by hand adds time. Work at height rules still apply around machinery and raised edges.

The ground and the trees. Clay under a lawn moves with the seasons, and roots near a patio lift slabs. That means a deeper, better compacted sub-base and sometimes a root barrier, and the spoil goes away by the lorry load.

Levels against the house. The surface has to slope away from the house and sit two brick courses under the damp proof course. On a long flat garden that can mean a drainage channel along the wall, because the clay will not take the water.

Laying. Porcelain, sandstone and concrete slabs go on a full mortar bed, porcelain needs a slurry primer, and each has its own jointing.

Compare quotes on dig depth, a full mortar bed against spot dabs, and the route the water takes off the patio.

If it has become a hazard

Slabs lifted by roots or turned slippery

A corner of paving standing proud, a sunken step, or a shaded patio that turns slick and green over winter can put someone on the ground. Ring for that; do not use the form.

First time out to a Thorney Hill patio we re-bed or cordon off the worst of it and check whether roots or waterlogged clay beneath are to blame. We then quote for putting it right properly. Scheduled work runs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm; if someone could fall, call, and if the phone goes unanswered we ring back as soon as we are able.

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Worth knowing

In the National Park it is height that matters

Thorney Hill sits inside the New Forest National Park, and the National Park Authority, not the district council, is the planning authority here. For a patio that changes one thing, and it is not the material.

It is height. Paving laid on the ground is ordinarily permitted development anywhere, National Park or not, and nobody is going to take an interest in a flat terrace behind a house. Raise that terrace into a platform, or put a new wall or a tall edging along a boundary that reads from the lane, and you have moved from paving to building, and building in a National Park gets looked at on how it sits in the landscape. Around a fifth of the housing in Thorney Hill predates 1919, and three listed entries nearby add a separate consent where one of those is involved.

None of that is a reason to accept a worse patio. It is a reason to design it low. Dig down to get your level rather than building up to it, keep any retaining modest and capped, and check the boundary walls before the design is fixed. Those are all things a good build does anyway, so in Thorney Hill the rules and the right answer point the same way.

Who you are dealing with

Patios from Holmsley to Burley

The drive from our base in Boscombe to Thorney Hill is 6.8 miles. We build patios across Thorney Hill, Bransgore, Holmsley and the lanes towards Burley, broadly BH23, in the New Forest National Park. Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd is registered in England and Wales; its company number is 15471719. Before you book a visit in Thorney Hill, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

The owner, Thomas Hannen, walks the garden with you and does the pricing. One verified Checkatrade customer marked us 10 out of 10. The site visit and the itemised written quote cost nothing. Raising a front drive causes the same planning question, and a driveway at Thorney Hill is dug down for the same reason.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Thorney Hill?

Most repairs in Thorney Hill need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Thorney Hill, from council and national records.
Question In Thorney Hill
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for Thorney Hill. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area None covers Thorney Hill, so a like-for-like repair is ordinary maintenance.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Thorney Hill. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Questions about patios in Thorney Hill

Does the National Park stop me having a patio?

The National Park does not stop a patio in Thorney Hill. Paving a garden at ground level is ordinarily permitted development inside the Park just as it is outside. What the designation affects is anything raised or built, so a flat terrace behind the house is straightforward and a platform is not.

What makes a patio count as a raised platform?

Broadly, standing on something constructed, not on the ground itself. A terrace built up above the natural level to get a view or a flat surface is the usual example. If your job is anywhere near that line we tell you at the visit.

Can I build a retaining wall around the terrace?

Usually, within height limits, and those limits are tighter next to a road. A low retaining wall on a footing with a coping over it is normal work. Anything taller, or anything that reads from the lane, is worth checking before the design is fixed.

Is there a rule about what the paving is made of?

Not for ordinary paving out of sight. Where a surface is visible in the landscape, sympathetic materials carry more weight than they would elsewhere, and a riven sandstone or buff limestone usually sits better than a bright modern slab.

If I do need an application, does that hold everything up?

It adds weeks, not days, which is why we settle it at the visit. Once we are on site, how long the build takes is about a week for a straightforward patio and nearer ten days with narrow access, a soakaway or retaining walls.

Free quote

Get the height right and the rest is simple

Thomas comes out, takes the levels, tells you where the National Park line falls for your job and prices it in writing. The visit and the quote are free.