Loft insulation in Thorney Hill

Loft floors, sealed hatches, raised boarding and rafter level work, on a mix of old cottage roofs and later houses that behave nothing alike.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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A Thorney Hill loft usually needs a top-up to about 270mm of mineral wool across the joists, with the eaves kept open and the tank and pipes lagged. Half of what is worth saying is what not to do: boarding straight onto the joists, packing the eaves solid, and laying new wool over old that is wet. Storage goes on legs instead. Walls and floors are on insulation in Thorney Hill.

The problems in Thorney Hill are the ordinary ones. A room that will not hold its heat once the fire or the heating goes off. A roof space opened after years, with a thin and uneven layer and bare joists showing through it. Or a ceiling stain that turns out to be moisture forming inside the roof rather than rain getting through it.

The first visit to a Thorney Hill loft is a proper read of the whole space rather than a glance from the ladder. Depth taken away from the hatch as well as beside it, a hand pushed past the wall plate to find out whether the air path has survived, the underside of the covering checked for tide marks, and the ceiling looked at for the holes people cut into it over the years. You get the photographs, a free site visit and a free written itemised quote that separates what has to happen from what is optional.

Straight talking

What we lay, and the three things we talk people out of

Mineral wool insulation laid between and over the ceiling joists in a loft (illustrative photo for loft insulation in Thorney Hill)
Two layers, crossedThe second layer runs across the joists so the timber stops being a cold bridge. Illustrative photo.

The laying part of a Thorney Hill loft is not complicated. One layer between the joists, friction fitted so there is nothing open at the sides. A second cross laid over the joists at right angles so the timber is buried and stops conducting heat down into the room.

Around 270mm all in is what a renovated ceiling is expected to reach under Part L in Approved Document L, and the second layer is where most of the gain in the U value sits. Mineral wool roll along a clear run, rockwool batts where an older cut roof puts every bay at a different width, glass wool, sheep wool if you would rather, loose fill in the corners, and PIR rigid board such as Celotex or a multi-foil quilt where the headroom has simply gone. Then the fittings: fire rated covers over recessed lights and downlighters, cable and wiring lifted above the new layer instead of buried in it, lagging on the cold water tank and its pipework, and a board and draught seal on the hatch.

Boarding straight onto the joists. It is a common wish and it undoes the job. Chipboard screwed down in a Thorney Hill loft compresses the wool underneath to a fraction of its depth, so the part of the ceiling you crush is the part over the room you use most. Storage goes back on loft legs, with a raised floor clear of full depth and the boarding kept to the platform you actually need. If the joists will not carry the loading we say so before anything is fixed, and the loft ladder is reset to the new height.

Packing the eaves. The second habit, and the expensive one. Insulation in a Thorney Hill loft is meant to run out over the wall plate and stop, with a vent tray at each rafter keeping an air gap open above it so cross ventilation can carry moisture from one side of the roof to the other. Push it on into the corner to make it look finished and the roof stops drying: the dew point moves into the layer, interstitial condensation forms out of sight, water gathers on the underside of the felt and black mould works down the rafters. Where the eaves are boxed and cannot be reopened, a ridge vent or a run of tile vents does the job from higher up, and a breathable membrane changes the detail rather than the requirement.

Laying over material that is wet. The third. New wool on top of damp wool in a Thorney Hill loft hides the problem and doubles the cost of fixing it later. Anything that has settled and gone patchy but is dry and sound stays and gets levelled out. Anything damp, anything broken down into dust and anything contaminated with droppings is bagged in the loft and taken away, and we find out why it was wet before anything replaces it. Occasionally that means the honest answer is to fix a slipped tile or a fan discharging into the roof first and do the insulation afterwards, and we would rather say that than sell you material twice. Where the roof has already been converted to a room in roof, none of the floor work applies and it becomes a warm roof at rafter level instead, with taped joints, a vapour control layer and the sloping ceiling and dormer cheeks done properly.

How it runs

Topping up a wide, low bungalow loft

Rigid insulation board fitted between the rafters in a loft (one of our own jobs, shown for loft insulation in Thorney Hill)
Board where depth is shortRigid board earns its place where the headroom will not take quilt. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Tell us the house, where the hatch is, and roughly what is up there. Bungalows are common in Thorney Hill, so many lofts are wide and low, running over every room in the house. Thomas climbs up, measures what depth is already there, looks at the joists, the felt and the airflow, and works out the price himself.

Each line of the quote is separate: the survey, getting the old material out and bagged, the depth of new mineral wool, trays at the eaves so air can still move, a hatch that is insulated and draught sealed, lagging for the tank and pipes, raised boards if you want storage, and taking the waste away. In a low bungalow loft much of the work near the eaves is done on hands and knees, and that is priced honestly. Dust sheets go down under the hatch and along the route in. A leak, wet timber or wiring for an electrician gets a photograph and our view before anything is laid.

Laying insulation across a Thorney Hill loft floor is inside work, which the Planning Portal insulation guidance confirms is not development. The New Forest National Park Authority controls how a building looks but has nothing to say about what sits above your ceiling; the Authority's interactive property map matters only if the roof itself changes. Building control comes in on a conversion or where more than half a roof is renovated, under regulation 23. VAT on energy saving materials is covered in HMRC VAT Notice 708/6.

Cost

Why a low roof takes longer to insulate

A loft insulated at rafter level with the gable filled and a rooflight fitted (one of our own jobs, shown for loft insulation in Thorney Hill)
At rafter levelA room in the roof is a different job from a cold loft floor. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Measuring the loft floor takes a minute. The awkward edges are where the time goes. Getting in. An old cottage with a small trapdoor in a back bedroom, a detached house with a proper loft ladder, and a bungalow with a shallow roof you can only crawl through each need a different plan for getting materials in.

What is up there. Old compressed material has to come out, be bagged and taken away, and a loft full of stored boxes has to be emptied and put back. Evenly spaced joists with nothing in the way go quickly; a trussed roof full of bracing is slow.

The eaves. On a low pitched bungalow roof the gap at the eaves is tight, and the insulation must stop short behind a tray so air still moves, or you swap a warm room for a wet roof.

Boarding. If you want to store things up there, raised legs go in so the boards sit above the full depth without squashing it.

The standard. Approved Document L sets what the work is expected to reach.

Check that any other quote states the finished depth and number of layers, keeps the eaves open, and covers the hatch and pipework.

If the loft is wet

Water on the loft insulation or mould on the rafters

Plasterboard taped and jointed on a lined loft wall (illustrative photo for loft insulation in Thorney Hill)
Lined, then tapedWhere the loft becomes a room, the boarding and the joints come next. Illustrative photo.

Beads of water under the felt, mould creeping along the rafters, or wet insulation mean either that moist air from the house is trapped up there, or that the roof has a leak. The timbers suffer either way, so it is a phone call rather than the form.

We work out which on the first visit and add nothing until we know, since extra insulation in an unventilated loft only traps more moisture. A visibly wet loft goes to the front. Scheduled work runs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. If water is dripping, call us; an unanswered call is returned as soon as we can.

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Inside the boundary

Who you would be applying to, on the rare occasion you have to

Addresses here sit inside the New Forest National Park, so the planning authority is the National Park Authority rather than the district council, and the National Park property map is where you check any particular address. There is no conservation area over the village and barely anything on it is listed, so for most houses the constraint is not heritage consent. It is the Park's interest in how things look from outside.

For this job that interest reaches almost nothing. Insulation over a ceiling is inside the building, invisible, and needs no application to anybody. The one place it can touch is ventilation. If a roof has soffits that are boxed in and cannot be opened, the neat answer is vents in the slope or along the ridge, and those do show. Permitted development rights are narrower inside the Park than outside it, so that is worth establishing before the work rather than after. In practice we would rather take the air at the eaves anyway, which keeps the roof looking exactly as it does now and saves the conversation altogether.

Who you are dealing with

Lofts across Burley Street and Bransgore

Thorney Hill is 6.8 miles from Wolverton Road in Boscombe, where our base is. We insulate lofts there and in Bransgore, Burley, Burley Street and Sopley. Planning rarely comes into loft work here, and when building control does apply it is New Forest District Council.

Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd is registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719. Its owner, Thomas Hannen, climbs into your loft and prices it himself. A verified customer on Checkatrade gave us 10 out of 10. Neither the visit nor the itemised written quote costs anything. Before you book a visit in Thorney Hill, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Thorney Hill?

Most repairs in Thorney Hill need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Thorney Hill, from council and national records.
Question In Thorney Hill
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for Thorney Hill. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area None covers Thorney Hill, so a like-for-like repair is ordinary maintenance.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Thorney Hill. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Thorney Hill loft questions

We were going to board the whole loft out. Why is that a bad idea?

Because boards laid flat on the joists squash the insulation to the depth of the timber, and that is roughly half of what you are paying for. Put the boards on loft legs instead and you keep both. Most people find they only really need a deck near the hatch, which is cheaper as well as better.

How can you tell whether the eaves are blocked without pulling it apart?

By feel and by light: at the edge of the loft with the lamp off you can usually see a line of daylight over the wall plate or feel air on the back of your hand. If the wool runs solid into the corner and the air stops, it has been filled. The timbers give it away too: rafter feet darken before anything else in the roof does.

Our old insulation is damp in one corner. Can you just cover it?

No, and we would not. Damp material stays damp under new wool and the corner it is in is telling you something, usually a slipped tile, a blocked eaves or an extract fan pointed into the roof. That gets found and dealt with, the wet material comes out in bags, and the new layer goes down onto something dry.

Is a natural material like sheep wool worth the difference?

It performs much like glass wool for the same depth and it handles moisture a little more forgivingly, which some people in older houses like. It is not a fix for a ventilation problem and it will not let you skimp on depth. If you want it, we will price it beside the mineral wool so you can see exactly what the choice costs.

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