Patios in Sopley, against walls with no damp course

The older cottages here were built before barrier courses were normal, so how low the paving finishes matters more than what the paving is made of.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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The older cottages in Sopley were built long before anybody put a barrier course into a wall, so many of them have no damp proof course at all. A patio up against that kind of wall is not a detail to get roughly right. It is the difference between a dry cottage and a damp one.

Patio work in Sopley usually centres on a solid old wall. Somebody wants a terrace against it, or has inherited a patio that was laid too high years ago and now has damp showing on the inside of the same wall.

Either way the first job in Sopley is to look at the wall, not the garden: what it is built of, whether there is a barrier in it and where the ground can safely finish. Then the whole job goes into a written itemised quote, dig, base, drainage, paving and jointing on their own lines. The visit and the quote are free.

The work

Paving against old walls, and everything under the slabs

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Sopley)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Reading the wall comes first. On a Sopley house a slate or bitumen damp course shows as a dark line two courses up. On a good many older cottages there is nothing there at all, and those walls rely on being able to dry out through their own face. Paving them in tight and running water at them takes that away.

Finishing low, and drained. Where there is a damp course, the finished ground goes two brick courses below it, the level Approved Document C works to. Where there is none, the answer is to keep the paving lower still and put a drained margin along the wall, a gravel strip or a channel drain, so splash and runoff are collected rather than thrown at the brickwork.

Digging against an old footing. Old Sopley walls often sit on shallow footings, sometimes little more than a widened course of brick. We hand dig the last stretch alongside them rather than run a machine up to the wall, because undermining a footing is a far more expensive problem than a patio.

The dig and the muck away. Old paving, bedding, concrete and any soft ground in a Sopley garden come out to a formation that will compact. Spoil is priced by the load, goes out in a grab lorry or a skip, and leaves with us.

Sub base and bedding. Geotextile membrane where the ground is soft, MOT Type 1 in compacted layers, then a full wet mortar bed with a slurry primer on the back of porcelain and dense stone. Dabs leave voids and voids crack slabs.

Choosing paving that suits an old building. Riven sandstone and limestone sit far more comfortably against brick and cob than a large format grey porcelain does. Granite is hard wearing and reads well as a step or an edge. Where a terrace is shaded, a textured porcelain is still the practical choice, and a smaller format helps it look at home.

Drainage. Runoff into a channel and out to a gully or a soakaway sited clear of the footings, or a permeable build with open joints, both judged against Approved Document H. Near the Avon it is worth proving a soakaway with a trial hole, because ground close to the river holds water through the winter.

Edgings, steps, jointing and repairs. Border edgings haunched in concrete, steps off a footing with a coping front, joints brushed in with a two part compound and tooled off. On existing terraces we re-bed slabs that have lifted or sunk, cut out cracked ones, re-point washed out joints and clear algae and efflorescence.

How it runs

How a back garden patio goes in

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Sopley)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Thomas comes out to Sopley, walks the garden, and checks the levels against the damp proof course and how water drains away now. Behind a terraced cottage the back garden often has no side access, so he also works out how the slabs, the sub base and the spoil will get in and out.

The written quote for a Sopley patio splits out excavation and muck away, the sub base, the falls and drainage, edgings and steps, the slabs, and the jointing. Thomas is your contact through the dig, the base and the laying. Where everything has to come through the house, floors are covered and a route is protected; where there is a side gate, materials are barrowed round. The garden is left tidy and safe each evening, and spoil and old concrete leave with us. If we dig into an old slab, tree roots or a drain nobody knew about, work stops there until you have seen a photo and a figure for it.

Paving an enclosed back garden is normally permitted development. A frontage, a boundary wall or the grounds of a listed building are different, and the National Park property map shows which designations touch an address. Sopley is also in the Sopley Conservation Area, under New Forest District Council, and we look into what that means before quoting anything visible from the road.

Cost

Carrying, digging and levels behind a patio quote

Carrying it in is the first cost. A detached house with a drive to the garden lets a small digger and a skip in. A mid-terrace with no side access means every slab and every bag of spoil goes through the house by hand, and that is the biggest single difference in labour.

The dig. An old concrete path, a shed base, a raised bed or tree roots all have to come out and go away, and that is priced by the load. On the sand and gravel here the spoil still bulks up once it is out, so the loads add up.

Level against the house. A patio must fall away from the wall and finish below the damp proof course. On a Sopley garden that slopes towards the house, that can mean a step down, a retaining edge or a channel drain along the wall.

Ground that stays wet. Sopley sits on sand and gravel by the Avon, where the water sits high in winter, so the sub base goes in on a membrane, well compacted, and the slabs go down on a full wet bed of mortar rather than on dabs.

The slabs. Natural stone, porcelain and concrete all cut and lay differently, and porcelain needs a slurry primer on the back and its own jointing compound.

Ask other quotes how deep the dig goes, what sub base is specified, whether the slabs are on a full bed or dabs, and where the water goes.

If it has become a hazard

A slab lifted, a step dropped, or a slippery surface

A lifted corner or a dropped step is a trip, and a shaded Sopley patio covered in algae can stay slippery all winter. Mark or cover the worst spot and keep children off it. Then call us; the form can wait.

When we arrive we lift and re-bed any slab that is a hazard, clean off a slippery patch if that is the problem, and check whether the base underneath has failed. A proper repair is priced after that. Patio work is scheduled Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. Please ring about anything urgent, and a missed call gets a call back from us as soon as possible.

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Worth knowing

Paving a wall that has no damp course

A solid wall built before damp proof courses were normal does not keep water out by blocking it. It manages, taking a little water in during a wet spell and giving it back through its face when the weather turns. As long as the base of the wall can breathe and nothing is throwing water at it, that arrangement works, and it has worked in this village for a very long time.

A patio laid hard against such a wall breaks it twice over. The paving raises the ground, so moisture rises further up the brickwork than it used to. Then rain hits the slabs and splashes back at the wall in the very place that used to dry out. Inside, a damp band appears along the skirting, and it usually gets blamed on the wall rather than the paving that caused it.

In Sopley the fix is not complicated and it does need to be asked for. Keep the terrace low. Put a drained margin along the wall, a strip of clean gravel or a channel, so splash is collected. Fall the paving away from the building, not along it. And leave the base of the wall alone rather than sealing it in cement pointing or render, which traps the moisture instead of letting it out.

Who you are dealing with

Your patio, priced in person by Thomas

We cover Sopley, Ripley, Winkton and the lanes along the Avon towards Bransgore, broadly BH23, from a base in Boscombe 3.7 miles away. Sopley's planning authority is New Forest District Council. You would be dealing with Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719. Before you book a visit in Sopley, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

The company is Thomas Hannen's, and Thomas is the one who looks at your garden and prices the patio. One verified customer scored us 10 out of 10 on Checkatrade. You are not charged for the visit, or for an itemised quote on paper. An old cottage front has the same wall with no damp course, and a driveway in Sopley is kept low against it in the same way.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Sopley?

Most repairs in Sopley need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Sopley, from council and national records.
Question In Sopley
Who decides New Forest District Council is the planning authority for Sopley. The National Park boundary runs close by, and the Park's property map shows which side an address falls.
Conservation area Yes: Sopley Conservation Area and Winkton Conservation Area. They cover parts of Sopley, so check whether your street is inside one.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Sopley. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape No National Park or National Landscape covers Sopley.

Questions

Questions about patios in Sopley

There is no barrier course in my wall. Can I pave against it?

Yes, but it has to be set low and drained at the wall. A strip of clean gravel or a channel along the brickwork collects the splash, and the paving falls away from the building. What does not work is slabs laid tight up against it.

Why has damp appeared inside since the patio went down?

Almost always because the finished level went up. Ground sitting at or above the base of the wall lets moisture rise further than it used to, and splash off the slabs wets the brickwork above that. Dropping the level usually deals with it.

Will you dig right up to an old wall?

Not with a machine: old footings can be shallow and easily undermined, so the last stretch alongside the wall is dug by hand and we look at what we find before going any deeper.

What paving suits a period cottage?

Riven sandstone or limestone in a mixed size, not a large format grey slab, sits far more comfortably against old brick. Where a terrace is shaded and needs the grip, a textured porcelain in a smaller format is the sensible compromise.

Does being so close to the New Forest stop me paving my garden?

No, Sopley sits just outside the National Park boundary, and New Forest District Council is the planning authority. An enclosed back garden is normally ordinary permitted development. What can need permission is a boundary wall and anything attached to a listed building. We check the address before we quote.

Free quote

Get the wall looked at before the garden is dug

Thomas comes out, checks what the wall has in it, works out where the ground can finish and prices it in writing. The visit and the quote are free.