Patios in Lyndhurst, shade, algae and slip

Under mature Forest trees a terrace barely dries out from October to March, and that decides the surface long before anyone picks a colour.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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Most gardens in Lyndhurst have mature oak, holly or beech on one side of them, and a patio under that canopy sees very little direct sun from October to March. It stays damp, it collects leaf litter, and by midwinter the surface can be genuinely dangerous. That is a specification problem, not a cleaning problem.

A Lyndhurst terrace facing north goes green and greasy every winter, its joints fill with rotted leaf and grow moss out of them, and its slabs start to rock because water has been sitting in a hollow bed rather than running off.

We come out to Lyndhurst, look at how much sun the area actually gets and where the water sits, and lift a slab to see what it was laid on. You get a written itemised quote with the dig, the muck away, the sub base, the drainage, the edgings, the slabs and the jointing on separate lines. The visit and the quote are free.

The usual problems

A terrace that never sees the sun

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Lyndhurst)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Stripping it out comes first. Old paving, the bedding under it and any old concrete are broken out and excavated to a firm formation. In Lyndhurst gardens there is nearly always a layer of leaf mould and soft made ground under the slabs, and that has to go too. Roots, spoil and rubble leave by the load.

The sub base. MOT Type 1 whacked in thin lifts to full compaction and carried past the edge of the paving, with a geotextile separator underneath on soft ground. In a shaded garden the base never really dries out, so getting the compaction right the first time is the difference between a flat terrace and a rocking one.

Full bed and primer, not dabs. Slabs are bedded on a full wet mortar bed with a slurry primer on the back. A dabbed slab in a shaded garden holds standing water under it permanently, and permanently wet mortar has no strength left in it after a few frosts.

Grip is the first thing we choose for. Textured porcelain is the obvious answer on a north facing Lyndhurst terrace: calibrated, non porous, and the grip is in the surface rather than in the stone being dry. Flamed granite is excellent too. Riven sandstone has natural texture but is porous and greens over. Limestone and travertine both hold moisture and we would steer you away from them here.

Falls, levels and the damp course. Paving falls away from the house and stops at least two courses below the DPC, and on the older properties in Lyndhurst, where plenty of homes predate 1919, there may be no proper damp course to work from at all. In that case the level comes off the floor inside. Approved Document C explains why.

Shifting water and leaves. A shaded terrace needs a slightly stronger fall than an open one, because the sun is not going to help. Water goes to a channel with a gully and an outfall, or to a soakaway where the ground will take the runoff, and any grating is chosen so leaf litter can be swept off it rather than packing into it.

Edges, steps and retaining. A haunched edging or kerb where the paving meets grass or a border, a retaining edge and coping where the ground is held back, and steps set out with equal risers. Under a canopy the step nosings are the part people slip on, so they get the grippiest finish on the job.

Jointing. A brush in resin compound worked in wet and tooled off. Open joints in a shaded garden fill with rotting leaf, and that is a seed bed for moss and algae. Mortar pointing still suits an old stone terrace. Then the usual repairs: lifted slabs, a sunk corner, rocking paving, cracked stone, efflorescence on new sandstone and staining under the drip line.

How it runs

A patio for a shaded garden, laid to shed water

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Lyndhurst)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Thomas comes to see the garden and takes levels against the damp proof course. Many Lyndhurst gardens sit under big trees, so he looks at where the sun reaches, where the leaves fall and where the roots run, because a smooth slab in shade soon turns greasy. The written quote prices the dig and taking the soil away, the sub base, the levels and falls with where the water ends up, edgings, any steps, the slabs and the jointing.

Thomas keeps in touch with you while it is dug and laid. For a cottage on the Lyndhurst High Street with no rear access, everything comes through the house, so floors are covered and times agreed. For a villa with a side path, it is barrowed round. Near trees we work round the roots, not through them. Slabs go down on a full mortar bed, and the joints are filled once it has set. The garden is swept daily and spoil leaves with us. If the dig finds old concrete or rubble, you are shown it with a price first.

A patio laid at ground level in a back garden is normally permitted development and does not need planning permission. Lyndhurst is in the National Park and has thirty one listed entries, so a patio within the curtilage of a listed building, or in a conservation area, may need more thought, and the heritage and conservation guidance explains what the Park Authority looks at. Building control only comes in where a retaining structure, or drainage close to the house, is involved.

Cost

What sets a patio price in a tree-lined garden

No rate per square metre: the slabs are the bit you choose, and seldom the biggest cost. Carrying everything in. A High Street cottage with no way round the back means every slab and bag travels through the house. A villa with a long side path, or a detached house with a gated drive, is quicker. The work at height rules still cover the lifting and the dig.

Roots and what comes out. Old concrete, raised beds, roots and made ground are dug out and removed by the load. Where a root cannot be cut without harming the tree, the patio is raised or shaped around it, which alters the design and the price.

Grip in the shade. In a shaded Lyndhurst garden, a textured natural stone or a porcelain with a grip finish is safer than a smooth slab, and the falls must clear water quickly so algae does not get a hold.

Levels. The finished surface has to sit two brick courses under the damp proof course and fall away from the house; on a sloping garden that means steps, a retaining edge or a channel drain.

Put these to anyone else who quotes: how deep is the dig, what sub base, are the slabs on a full mortar bed or spot bedded on dabs, which way does water run off, and what jointing compound fills the joints.

If it has become a hazard

A terrace gone green and slippery, or a slab that rocks

A slab lifted at one corner, or a step that has dropped, will catch someone's foot, so stand a pot on it until it is fixed. A Lyndhurst terrace under trees or a canopy that has turned green and greasy is worth sorting before the first frost rather than after someone has fallen, and a stiff brush with hot water helps for now.

Ring us instead of using the form, and on the first visit we lift and relay the worst slabs and dig down to see whether the bed beneath the others has given way. Patio work runs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. If we do not answer, we phone you back as soon as we are free.

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Worth knowing

Slip resistance on a north facing patio

A terrace that faces north, or sits under mature Forest trees, gets almost no drying sun between October and March. Water that lands on it stays there far longer, leaf litter blows on and rots down into the joints, and algae has everything it needs. The film that forms is what people slip on. The stone underneath is usually perfectly sound.

Cleaning a Lyndhurst terrace is only ever half an answer, because the conditions that grew it are still there in six months. Pressure washing a porous stone also opens the surface up and gives the next crop somewhere better to take hold, and blasting the jointing out of a terrace is how a lot of rocking slabs start their careers.

The real fix is decided before anything is laid. We choose a surface with grip built into it rather than one that is only safe when dry, set a fall strong enough to clear water without help from the sun, joint with a resin compound so there is no open gap for leaf mould to sit in, and give the step nosings the grippiest finish on the terrace. After that, an annual wash off keeps it in hand instead of being a rescue job.

Who you are dealing with

The patio layer for the village and the lanes to Minstead

Lyndhurst is 14.9 miles from our Boscombe base. Patios we lay across the village, Emery Down, Bank and the lanes out towards Minstead, broadly SO43, fall under the New Forest National Park Authority for planning. Behind the work is Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales, company number 15471719. Before you book a visit in Lyndhurst, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

It is owned by Thomas Hannen, and he looks at your garden and prices the patio himself. A verified customer rated our work 10 out of 10 on Checkatrade. The garden visit and the itemised written quote are both free. Leaf litter and shade are just as hard on a front drive, and driveways in Lyndhurst get the same grip and fall.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Lyndhurst?

Most repairs in Lyndhurst need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Lyndhurst, from council and national records.
Question In Lyndhurst
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for Lyndhurst. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area Yes: Lyndhurst Conservation Area and Swan Green Conservation Area. They cover parts of Lyndhurst, so check whether your street is inside one.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Lyndhurst. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Questions about patios in Lyndhurst

What is the safest surface for a patio that never gets sun?

A textured porcelain or a flamed granite, because the grip is in the surface, not in the stone being dry. Both shed water instead of absorbing it, so there is less for algae to live on. Smooth or polished finishes are the ones that catch people out.

Should I jet wash the green off every spring?

Sparingly: high pressure opens up a porous stone and gives the next growth a better foothold, and it blasts the jointing out, which is how slabs start rocking. A low pressure wash and a proper treatment does more good than force.

Do the leaves off the trees actually damage the patio?

Rotting leaf in an open joint does. It holds water against the bedding, feeds moss and algae, and blocks a channel grating so the fall stops working. Filled joints and a grating you can sweep are what keep on top of it.

Can steps be made less slippery without replacing them?

Sometimes. The nosings can be cut back and a grippier tread bedded in, or a channel formed so water is not running over them. If the treads themselves are a polished stone, replacing the step is usually the honest answer.

Is it a problem to work in a conservation area inside the National Park?

Not for an ordinary ground level patio in a back garden, which is normally permitted development. Where the work is raised, visible from the road, or attached to a listed building, we flag it at the quote, not once the dig has started.

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Thomas comes out, looks at the shade and the falls, lifts a slab and prices the work in writing. The visit and the quote are free.