Patios in East Boldre

Paving that goes deeper than most, because on the forest edge the top foot of ground will not hold anything up.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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Patios on the open forest edge at East Boldre fail for a reason that has nothing to do with the slabs. The ground is terrace gravel over clay and holds water, so a base laid at the depth that works on a town garden simply keeps settling into it.

The faults you see in East Boldre are the result of that. A terrace that has dropped in the middle and now ponds. Slabs that rock when you stand on the corner of them. Jointing cracked and pushed out as the paving has moved. And in a bad winter, a surface that stays wet and turns green.

The fix is under the ground, not on it. We come out to East Boldre, take a couple of slabs up, dig a trial hole to find how far down firm formation actually is, and take levels off the house. Then you get one written itemised quote showing the dig, the muck away, the sub base, the paving, the edges and the jointing separately, so you can see where the money is going. The visit and the quote are free.

The work

Digging deeper, and what goes back in the hole

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in East Boldre)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

The dig goes deep. Old concrete, tired flags on a sand bed, a raised bed, made ground, or roots spreading in from a boundary all come out first. On East Boldre ground we excavate until the formation stops moving under a boot rather than to a number written on a quote, and that is often deeper than people expect. Spoil is wet and heavy, so it is loaded to a grab lorry or a skip and leaves with us.

Separator and sub base. A geotextile membrane goes over soft formation so the stone cannot work its way down into it, then MOT Type 1 in compacted layers of about 100mm. That separator is the difference between a base that stays a base and one that slowly sinks into the wet ground under it.

Porcelain. Calibrated twenty millimetre porcelain is the sensible choice on damp East Boldre ground: it absorbs almost nothing, so algae have very little to hold and frost has nothing to open up. Full bed of mortar over a slurry primed back, never dabs, because a void under a dense slab becomes a crack the first time something heavy lands on it.

Stone. Sandstone is warm, easy to cut and forgiving, but porous, so on a shaded plot it greens. Limestone is more uniform and marks with iron. Granite is the densest and the least likely to move once it is bedded. Travertine will not enjoy a wet East Boldre winter. Hand cut stone varies in thickness so the bed does the levelling; calibrated stone is sawn to one depth and lays faster.

Falls and the damp proof course. The paving runs away from the building rather than along the wall, and it finishes two courses below the DPC where the garden allows, which is what Approved Document C is for. Water goes to a gully that has been proved to run, a soakaway where the ground will genuinely take it, or a permeable build with an open graded base so the runoff stays put.

Edges and retaining. On soft ground the edge is not optional. Edging is bedded and haunched in concrete, a coping caps a low retaining wall, a kerb line separates paving from grass, and a gravel border along the house takes the drip. Without a restrained edge the outer course walks and the jointing opens.

Jointing. Stone gets hand pointing in a matched mortar or a brush in compound worked into a full joint. Porcelain takes a grout made for a dense unit. Joints filled short are how water gets into the bed, and on wet ground that is the start of the staining and the frost lifting.

Repairs. Re-bedding rocking slabs, rebuilding a sunken bay, replacing cracked units, raking out failed jointing and correcting falls on a terrace that will not dry.

How it runs

Laying a patio on gravel over clay, from levels to jointing

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in East Boldre)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Thomas checks your East Boldre garden, the levels against the house, the height of the damp proof course and how materials will get in. The quote then prices the dig and taking the soil away, the compacted sub-base, the falls and the drain for the water, edgings, any steps, the slabs and the jointing. Thomas is your contact while it is built.

On wet gravel over clay an East Boldre patio needs a good depth of compacted sub-base and a steady fall away from the house, with the water sent somewhere it can go, because clay takes it in slowly. Access differs: barrows down a narrow passage beside a cottage, a micro digger through a bungalow gate, or a machine straight in through a field entrance. Trenches are never left open overnight, the garden is swept each evening and the spoil goes with us. An old slab or a drain found in the way is priced and shown to you before we deal with it.

Planning here is the job of the National Park Authority, not the district, so anything visible from the road gets closer design scrutiny, and East Boldre lies in the Forest South East Conservation Area on top. The NPA's property map shows what covers an address. A garden patio is not building control work, though a connection into existing drainage can be. Neighbouring Boldre has its own page.

Cost

What a patio really costs on forest ground

The slabs are the part you pick and the smallest part of the bill. Base on wet ground. The gravel here sits on clay that holds water, so a patio needs a deeper, well compacted sub-base. Tree roots, an old concrete slab or made ground have to come out first, and they are priced by the load.

Levels. The finished surface falls away from the house and sits at least two courses below the damp proof course. On sloping ground that means steps, a low retaining edge or a channel drain, and on clay that drainage channel needs an outfall.

Carrying. A narrow cottage passage, a bungalow gate a micro digger just fits, and an open field entrance call for different machines. The more slabs carried by hand, the more hours. A raised terrace with a drop at its edge puts the build under the work at height rules as well.

Bedding. A full wet bed keeps a slab still. Dabs leave voids, and the slab rocks and cracks.

Ask a competing firm the dig depth, the sub-base spec, full bed or dabs, where the water goes, whether edgings are in, and which jointing compound they use.

If it has become a hazard

A lifted slab or a patio gone green and slippery

A slab that has lifted, a step that has dropped, or an East Boldre patio gone green and slippery under the trees is worth a phone call, not the form. Stand a pot on the trip and keep people off the slippery bit.

The first visit re-lays the worst slabs and checks whether the base has washed out or the clay has moved. A photo taken in the wet helps, because it shows where the ground holds water. We book planned jobs Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. If a person could fall, ring, and should nobody pick up we phone you back soon after.

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Worth knowing

Ground that will not hold a base at normal depth

Out towards the open forest the topsoil sits over ground that stays damp most of the year and squashes under load. That is fine for grass and poor for paving. A patio needs a formation that does not move, and here that is usually further down than a standard build allows for.

The practical consequence in East Boldre is that the dig and the stone are a bigger share of the price than the slabs are, and any quote that does not say how deep it is going has left out the part that decides whether the patio is still flat in ten years. It also means more spoil leaves site, which is why the muck away is priced by the load rather than folded into a rate.

There is a second consequence worth knowing. Ground that holds water will not take a soakaway, so on these plots we design the falls to a positive outfall, a ditch or a border that can genuinely absorb it, or we build permeable, with an open graded stone reservoir under the paving and permeable jointing above it. BS 7533-13 sets out how that is put together. Deciding which of those applies is a job for a trial hole, not a guess from the doorway.

Who you are dealing with

Patio builders for Norleywood, Boldre and Beaulieu

We are based in Boscombe, 16.7 miles away, and lay patios in East Boldre, Norleywood, Boldre, Beaulieu and the villages down towards Lymington. The National Park Authority decides planning here. The company behind the work is Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales under number 15471719. Before you book a visit in East Boldre, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

Thomas Hannen owns it, and he looks at your garden and writes the patio price himself. Checkatrade carries a verified customer's 10 out of 10 for us. We do not charge for the visit, and the written quote that sets out each item is free. Soft forest ground does the same to a front drive, and a driveway in East Boldre needs the same deeper base.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in East Boldre?

Most repairs in East Boldre need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in East Boldre, from council and national records.
Question In East Boldre
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for East Boldre. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area Yes: Forest South East Conservation Area. Check whether your street is inside the boundary before changing anything visible.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around East Boldre. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Questions about patios in East Boldre

How deep does the dig need to go on ground like this?

As deep as it takes to reach something that does not move. We open a trial hole at the survey so the depth is on the quote as a real figure rather than an assumption.

Is a soakaway an option in my garden?

Only where the ground drains, and a lot of it here does not. Where it will not take water we run the falls to an outfall, or build permeable so the patio holds the rain and lets it go slowly.

Will the ponies or the wet ground damage a new patio?

Not if it is edged and based properly. What damages paving here is an unrestrained edge on soft ground, which lets the outer course spread and the joints open.

Which surface stays safest underfoot through a forest winter?

A textured porcelain. It takes almost no water, so it dries faster and gives algae less to feed on than a porous sandstone in the same position.

Do you take everything away or leave a skip on the verge?

It goes with us. Where a skip has to stand on the highway that is arranged and permitted beforehand, and on the forest verges we would rather use a grab lorry booked to arrive as the dig finishes.

Free quote

Find out how far down firm ground actually is

Thomas comes out, digs a trial hole and prices the dig, the base, the paving and the jointing in writing. The visit and the quote are free.