Patios in Boldre, dug down to something firm

On an eighties estate the ground under the lawn is usually site spoil rather than natural soil, and that is what decides how deep a patio has to be dug.

The site visit is free and so is the written itemised quote. Thomas Hannen prices every job himself.

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In a Boldre garden where a house or extension has been built, the ground under the lawn may not be natural. It can be subsoil and site spoil pushed back over the plot at the end of the build, with a skim of topsoil over the top, and it will carry grass happily while giving a patio base nothing to sit on.

Made ground like that is a well known cause of patio failure. A terrace settled unevenly a few years after it was laid. Slabs rocking where a soft pocket has consolidated. And somebody told the base was fine because the ground looked solid on the day.

So in Boldre we dig before we quote. A trial hole through the lawn shows how deep the disturbed material goes. Then it goes in writing: the dig, the muck away, the sub base, the falls, the drainage, the edgings, the paving and the jointing on their own lines. The site visit and the itemised quote are free.

The work

Digging out made ground, and building a base that stays put

Porcelain patio slabs laid to a fall with a gravel border alongside (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Boldre)
Laid to a fallWater goes away from the house, not along the wall. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Finding the bottom of the made ground. A trial hole is the only honest way. Site spoil looks like garden soil until you put a foot on it in the wet. We excavate until the formation stops moving, which on made ground can be deeper than a standard build up allows for.

The dig and the muck away. Turf, topsoil, buried rubble, old concrete, pipe offcuts and roots all come out. There is more spoil from a Boldre garden than people expect, and it leaves in a grab lorry or a skip rather than being spread over the rest of the garden.

The sub base. MOT type 1 in compacted layers with a geotextile between the subgrade and the stone. On made ground that membrane is not optional: without it the soft material below works up into the stone, the sub base loses its grading and the surface follows it down.

Full bed, never dabs. Every slab on a full wet mortar bed with a slurry primer on the back of porcelain. Not five dabs, not a sand screed. Where the ground below has any give in it, a dabbed slab finds it first and cracks across the middle.

Porcelain paving. Calibrated to one thickness, so the bed stays even and the joints line up. Almost no absorption and slip rated finishes available, which suits a shaded corner under the trees where stone would go green.

Sandstone, limestone and granite. Riven sandstone gives warmth against brick and takes a sealer. Limestone and travertine are flatter and more even in tone. Granite is dense and makes the best step tread. None is calibrated, so each piece is bedded to its own thickness.

Falls, levels and the damp course. A fall away from the house across the whole surface, and a finished level at least two courses below the damp proof course. Where the back door threshold is low we drop the patio and put in a shallow step rather than build the level up.

Drainage. An ACO channel across a low threshold into a gully with a positive outfall, or a permeable build up over a stone reservoir where the ground will take water. Runoff off a new surface stays on your own ground.

Edges, steps and retaining. A haunched edging or kerb holds the outer course, a retaining edge with a coping holds a border or a bank, and step treads go on a full bed with an overhang so water drips clear of the riser.

Jointing and repairs. A resin grout brushed into damp joints, or pointing in mortar on riven stone. We also lift and relay sunk bays and rocking flags, cut out cracked ones, repoint washed out joints and deal with staining, efflorescence and a slippery green surface.

How it runs

How a new patio is dug, based and laid

A finished porcelain patio in the wet, showing how the surface drains and where the joints sit (one of our own jobs, shown for patios in Boldre)
Judged in the wetRain shows the falls and the joints that a dry day hides. Photo from one of our own jobs.

Thomas comes to see the Boldre garden, measures the area and checks the levels against the house. He finds the damp proof course and works out the fall so rain runs away from the walls, and looks at how materials and spoil will get in and out. The written quote breaks the job into digging out and muck away, a compacted sub-base, falls and drainage, edgings and any steps, the slabs, their bedding, and jointing.

Thomas is your contact for the whole job. In Boldre that often means a narrow side gate or a lane with little room for a skip, so we plan how the dig comes out and the slabs go in before we start. Many gardens here sit close to trees, and we dig round the roots with care. Inside the conservation area, which here takes in the old village, Bull Hill and Pilley, a tree cannot be cut back or felled until the Authority has been given notice. The garden is tidied daily and the spoil leaves with us. If the dig turns up old concrete, a buried drain or made ground, we stop, photograph it and price it before going any deeper.

Planning is the National Park Authority’s, and its interactive property map shows what applies to your address. A patio at ground level is normally permitted development. A raised terrace, a boundary wall above the permitted height or a new drainage connection may not be.

Cost

What goes under the slabs sets the price

The slabs are the part you choose, and rarely the biggest part of the price, so a rate per square metre tells you little.

Getting in. A detached house with a wide gate lets a small digger through. A mid terrace with no side access means every bag of spoil and every slab goes through the house or over a wall. Wherever there is no side access, the carrying alone can add days.

What comes out. An old concrete base, a raised bed, roots from a nearby oak, or made ground left from when a Boldre house was built all have to be dug out and taken away. That is priced by the load.

The ground below. On clay that shrinks and swells, a thin base moves. A deeper compacted sub-base and a proper fall away from the house keep the patio flat.

Levels. A patio should finish at least two brick courses below the damp proof course and fall away from the house. On a sloping plot that can mean steps, a low retaining edge or a drainage channel.

The stone. Sandstone, porcelain and concrete slabs are cut and laid differently. Porcelain needs a primer on the back. Every slab should sit on a full wet bed of mortar, not on dabs.

When you compare quotes, ask how deep the dig is, what sub-base goes down, whether it is a full bed, where the water goes, and what jointing compound will be used.

If it has become a hazard

A lifted slab, a sunken step or a green patio

If a slab has lifted at one corner or a step has dropped, it is a trip, so stand a pot or a board over it until it is fixed. A patio in the shade of trees can go green and slippery by autumn, and a north facing one ices over in winter.

On a Boldre patio a stiff brush and a patio cleaner help until it can be treated properly. If a section has sunk and now drains back towards the house, ring rather than using the form, because water against the wall is the bigger problem. On the first visit we lift and relay the worst slabs and check the base under the rest. Scheduled work is Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm. A missed call gets a call back from us as soon as we can manage.

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The one local thing

Made ground, and what is under the lawn

Where a Boldre house or extension is newer than its neighbours, that can shape the ground work more than the architecture does. When a house is built, the subsoil out of the foundations and the drainage runs has to go somewhere, and it often goes back over the plot at the end under a thin layer of topsoil.

Grass in a Boldre garden does not care. It roots in the top few inches and looks healthy. A patio does care, because that material was never compacted in layers, it holds water and it consolidates for years afterwards. Lay a base straight onto it and the terrace settles unevenly, usually worst where a service trench used to run.

So the dig is the honest part of the quote. We go through the made ground to something firm, put a membrane down so the two layers cannot mix, and build the sub base in compacted lifts. More spoil leaves than on a shallow job, and that is why the patio is still level five winters later.

Who you are dealing with

Patios across the parish from a firm you can look up

We come to Boldre from Boscombe, a drive of about thirteen miles, and build patios all over the parish: Pilley, Bull Hill, Norleywood, the lanes down towards the river, and Sway. A raised terrace or a new boundary wall is a matter for the New Forest National Park Authority.

The company behind the work is Bournemouth Roofing & Building Ltd, registered in England and Wales with the number 15471719. Its owner, Thomas Hannen, walks the garden with you and does the pricing himself. Checkatrade carries a verified customer’s score of 10 out of 10. The site visit is free, and the quote comes in writing, itemised, at no charge. A front garden over made ground has the same problem, which is why a driveway in Boldre gets the same trial dig. Before you book a visit in Boldre, you can read our customers' Google reviews, word for word, on our reviews page.

Planning at a glance

Do you need planning permission in Boldre?

Most repairs in Boldre need no application at all. What decides whether a change to the outside of your house does is who the council is, whether a conservation area or a listing applies, and whether the place sits in a protected landscape.

The planning position in Boldre, from council and national records.
Question In Boldre
Who decides New Forest National Park Authority is the planning authority for Boldre. New Forest National Park Authority's heritage pages set out what it controls.
Conservation area Yes: Forest South East Conservation Area. Check whether your street is inside the boundary before changing anything visible.
Listed buildings Yes, there are listed buildings in and around Boldre. If yours is one, work can need listed building consent.
Protected landscape Inside the New Forest National Park, where design is looked at more closely and permitted development rights are narrower.

Questions

Questions about patios in Boldre

How do I know if my garden is made ground?

A trial hole in your Boldre garden will tell you. Made ground is a mixed material with rubble, brick fragments or pipe offcuts in it, and it changes colour and texture where the natural soil starts. If a spade goes in easily for two feet and then hits something different, you have your answer.

Why did my patio settle unevenly rather than all over?

Because the ground below it is not consistent. A filled service trench or a soft pocket consolidates at a different rate to the rest, so the surface dips where the fill is deepest. Relaying the slabs without dealing with that just repeats it.

Can you not just compact the existing ground instead of digging it out?

Not reliably: site spoil has organic material and voids in it, and a plate on the surface only densifies the top few inches. Anything below that carries on consolidating. Taking it out and replacing it with graded stone is the only way to know.

Does more digging mean a much bigger job?

It means more spoil leaving and more stone coming in, and both show on the quote as their own lines. It does not usually add much time on site. What it adds is the difference between a base that holds and one that moves.

What is the membrane under the stone actually for?

It separates the sub base from the ground below it. Without it, soft wet material squeezes up into the stone over time and the stone sinks into the ground. The two stop being separate layers and the surface loses its level.

Free quote

Find out how deep the made ground goes

Thomas comes out, digs a trial hole through the lawn and prices the dig, the muck away, the base, the falls and the jointing in writing. The visit and the quote are free.